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20 January 2007

This article on John Grinter Grinter and his family is for family research and genealogy only. It may not be used for commercial purposes or without the permission of the copyright owner Thomas Swiftwater Hahn E-mail: swiftwater@lenapedelawarehistory.net or 3751 Schefflera Drive, Fort Myers FL 33917-2040.

THE GRINTER FAMILY

John Grinter His son Francis Grinter His son Moses Read Grinter

JOHN GRINTER
THE EMIGRANT FROM ENGLAND, THE FIRST KNOWN GRINTER IN AMERICA

This entry needs editing. There is some duplication of the data. It is rambles on and it does not read well and it will be revised soon. One of our priorities for research is to find the deed records  for John Grinter and his son, Francis Grinter. We suspect that the former, and perhaps the latter, would gave been located in the area of the Smith Cemetery, some 13 miles north of Russellville, Logan County, Kentucky. Logan County was formed in 1792. The name Grinter is sometimes found as "Gunter." Editor

All male descendants of John Grinter, the Revolutionary War Soldier, are eligible to become members of the Sons of the American Revolution. The proof of descent has been made down to Moses Read Grinter,  so that part of the work has been done for you. You need to prove your descent from Moses Grinter through birth certificates, census records, wills, etc. to be eligible. Female descendants of John Grinter are eligible to become members of the Daughters of the Revolution. More home work would be necessary, however. as the linkage is not as recent.

John Grinter was born probably in June 1755 in Whitchurch Canonicorum, Dorsetshire, England. He married Elizabeth Hill on 24 February 1786 in Prince Edward County, Virginia. Scroll down down to see the entry for Elizabeth Hill and a partial Descendancy of their Descendants below this description of John Grinter's life. John Grinter died on 27 May 1831 at age 76 years in Logan County, Kentucky and was buried in the Smith Cemetery, Logan County. (Logan County Genealogical Society, Logan County, Kentucky Cemeteries, "Smith Cemetery", p. 247.)

This is the church that the Grinter's probably attended in Whitchurch Canonicorum

As mentioned. Elizabeth Hill and John Grinter GRINTER married on 24 February 1786in Prince Edward County. Elizabeth was born in 1756 in Prince Edward County, Virginia. There is a Marriage License for John Grinter and Elizabeth Hill on file at the Prince Edward Circuit Court, Virginia provided by Grinter Researcher Martha Brown. It says:

Know all men by these presents that we John Grinter & John Hill [Elizabeth Hill's father] are held and firmly Bound unto the Commonwealth of Virginia in 50 pounds Current Money. To the which payment well and truly to be made we bind Ourselves our heirs Executors & Administrators Jointly & Severally firmly by these presents sealed with our seal the sixth [? The word is hard to read] Day of Feby. 1786 Whereas there is a Marriage Shortly intended to be solemnized Between the above Bound John Grinter & Elizabeth Hill Daughter of John Hill. The Condition of this present Obligation is such that if there be no lawfull cause to [?object] it the same then this Obligation to be void or else to remain in full force. Sealed and Delivered   John Hill (Seal)

Barney Thompson, The Thompson Family of Prince Edward County, VA [etc] (1995), p.137 said: "This Elizabeth Hill probably belonged to the family whose member John Hill, Jr. married Thomas Thompson's daughter Elizabeth Thompson and and whose member Davis Hill married Carter Thompson's daughter Nancy Hill. The Hill family lived in southwestern Prince Edward County and northeastern Charlotte County. They tended to have large families and to give their sons common names such as Robert, Thomas, John, and William. There are two facts which make research on this family difficult. "There is a voluminous Hill file among the genealogical papers of Dr. Joseph D. Eggleston at the Virginia Historical Society. Despite its size the file was not very useful to this researcher [Barney Thompson] in determining the exact relationships between all the Hills in Prince Edward and Charlotte counties." Elizabeth died on 17 August 1830 and was buried in Old Smith's Graveyard @ age 74 next to her  spouse, John Grinter. (Logan County Genealogical Society, Logan County, Kentucky Cemeteries, "Smith Cemetery" p. 247: Elizabeth Grinter, consort of John Grinter, 17 Aug 1830, aged 74 yrs) In spite of their age, the grave stones are fairly legible and are if fairly good condition. In the Smith Cemetery burial records showing an Elizabeth Hill who was born in 1779 and who died on 10 April 1867 at about 86 years of age.  (Logan County Genealogical Society, Logan County, Kentucky Cemeteries, "Grinter Cemetery", p. 88.)
 
There are varying accounts as to the birth, parents, and early life of John Grinter. Barney Thompson in The Thompson Family of Prince Edward County, Virginia...(1995), pp. 137-138, said: "Dr. Linton Elias Grinter, who died after serving as the dean of the graduate school of the University of Florida, compiled the following information on the life of his ancestor":

John Grinter was born in the year 1755. He landed in America an infant and orphan, his father and mother having  died at sea. It is not known from what country they came. Some say Germany and some say from Scotland or Wales. He was placed on the door step of one of the houses of the colony of Jamestown, Virginia. In some manner his name was understood to be Grunter or Gunter. At later dates two men came to the young man and told him, 'Your name is Grinter, not Gunter. We came over with you in the ship and we know what your name is.' Young John grew to manhood in the Jamestown colony and when the war of the Revolution came on, he joined the Colonial Army.

 

                          
Map of Showing Whitchurch Canonicorum and Ryall, Dorset, England. Dorset is in the Southwest. Lyme Bay is the water area to the south (bottom) (Extract from Streetmap.co.uk)

Detail of the Villages of Whitchurch Canonicorum and Ryall, Dorset, England (From Streetmap.co.uk)

 

In a letter dated 19 November 1982, Wanda Weeks (a John Grinter, Francis Grinter, Moses Read Grinter Descendant from Norman, Oklahoma, now deceased) wrote to Thomas Hahn (also a John Grinter, Francis Grinter, Moses Read Grinter  Descendant), that that Moses Grinter was known to have said that his grandfather (John Grinter) came from Whit Church in England. The source of that remark remains elusive, but it may have been been handed down through the family. Grinter Family Researcher. Roger Grinter,  of Marlowe on Thames, England, told Thomas Hahn in an email 27 November 2002 that Wanda Weeks told him that she had seen a Kansas City [probably Kansas],  newspaper interview in which Moses Grinter said that his grandfather was born in Whit Church, England. Obviously. we would like to have a look at that interview. It is probably only coincidental that Moses Grinter and his wife, Annie (Marshall) Grinter were members and supporters of the White Church in what is now Kansas City, Wyandotte County, Kansas, but it is possible that there is a connection. Roger Grinter also said that John Grinter also had a brother who migrated with him. Family history says that John Grinter was born at sea in 1755 on the way from England to the Colony of Virginia. This seems unlikely as he was supposed to have been two years old when he landed in America. The same tradition says that his parents died on the voyage, but that John and a sister Betty Grinter survived them. The captain of the ship supposedly placed young John with a family in Jamestown, so it is likely that he spent his earlier years there. Because it is probable that he was two years old when he was "dumped" in Jamestown, his own words, he was probably born in England, and not at sea. Research continues on the origin of his family, but it is quite possible that his parents were from Whitchurch Canonicorum in Dorsetshire, England, and so would John have been as well. [To date, no documented sources for the above data have been found to make the connection between England and America.] The best we have so far are such references as "accounts say,"  "the authorities say, etc." It appears that we are missing same of the data done by earlier researchers. Wanda Weeks found parish records in Whitchurch Canonicorum, Dorset that suggest that the Grinters came from there. Thomas Hahn and Nathalie Hahn later went to Whitchurch Canonicorum to research the parish records, but the records had been transferred to the County Record Office at Dorchester, Dorset. They later went to Dorchester to research the parish records for Whitchurch Canonicorum. The early parish records were on sheepskin, were written in Latin, and were very difficult to read. We found one of two possibilities, based on the 1755 birth. for John Grinter, but they could not definitely identify the parents of John Grinter, nor could we make the connection between England and Virginia.  There have also been unsubstantiated suggestions that the Grinters came from France or Germany, and those places of origin seem unlikely.

                                                                                             
           Environs of Whitchurch Canonicorum, Dorset, England (Tom Hahn Photo)

                                                                    
Whitchurch Road Leading from the Main Road into the Village (Tom Hahn Photo)

When Tom and Nathalie Hahn first went to Whitchurch Canonicorum, Dorset, they walked from where they were dropped off the highway by the bus driver two or three miles into Whitchurch Canonicorum. The road was so old and rutted from usage for hundreds of years that it had sunk several feet; the surrounding views could hardly be seen because of the roadside hedges. It was exciting to walk the same road that Tom's ancestors had tread three hundred years previously. This image hardly conveys the beautiful scenery of the Dorset countryside.

The following are extractions were made by Roger Grinter from LDS microfilm records for the Parish Records for Whitchurch C. 1700-1830. He notes that a large amount of pages were missing due to damage, possibly dampness. Those may the records that Wanda Weeks viewed that are no longer available. These are the Grinters that may be associated with John Grinter's Family:

John Grinter 1696 & Mary Hern Family of Ryall. John Baptised 15 November 1696. Married 7 November 1726 Whitchurch Canonicorum, Dorset, England
CHILDREN:
George Grinter 24 January 1734; William Grinter 28 April 1731 or 8 October 1737
Thomas Grinter 8 January 1737—Elizabeth Grinter 14 September 1729
Mary Grinter 25 January 1740 and 24 August 1744---Edward Grinter 9 June 1746-

George Grinter 1705? & Elizabeth Tripping 17-- Whitchurch Canonicorum. Married 22 September
 1735,  Whitchurch Canonicorum, Dorset
CHILDREN:
John Grinter 17 June 1736---Ann Grinter 14 February 1737--George Grinter 7 June 1741

John Grinter 17-- & Betty Grinter 17-- Whitchurch Canonicorum,
Betty Grinter 2 May 1765

Joseph Grinter 1741 & Susannah Mory 1745 Whitchurch Canonicorum
Susannah from Broadwinsor, Dorset. Married 9 February 1766 in Whitchurch Canonicorum
CHILDREN:
Betty Grinter 14 July 1771------John Grinter 28 February 1773------Mary Grinter 21 July 1776
Hannah Grinter 1 November 1778-----Sarah Grinter 31 March 1779 or 31 March 1782

---- Rebecca Grinter 14 August 1785

Joseph Grinter 17-- & Jane Grinter 17-- Whitchurch Canonicorum,
CHILDREN:
Joan Grinter 21 January 1781

Joseph Grinter 1741 & Susannah Hallett 17-- Whitchurch Canonicorum. Married 11 December 1797   

CHILDREN:
George Grinter 6 May 1797----Joseph Grinter 1 July 1803

 Joseph Grinter 1747 & Joan Ascot 17-- Whitchurch Canonicorum. Married 21 November 1772 at Whitchurch
Canonicorum
CHILDREN:
Joan Grinter 4 April 1774---Susannah Grinter 9 Apr 1775—Thomas Grinter 20 June 1784
Ron Grinter pointed out that "If some children have two baptism dates this is because if the child was ill and the priest baptised them at home, as you could not be buried in the church grounds unless baptised [in the church]. If the child recovered. it was baptised again in the church; if the dates are more than six months apart, the first child had died.

There is no obvious connection to our John Grinter in this entry. It is possible that he had another name in England or in fact was born at sea, as has been said. For data on later Grinter's in England and any questions regarding this entry, write to: Ron Grinter: RonGrinter@aol.com

It appears that John Grinter may have spent only his very early boyhood in Jamestown. The Fredericksville Parish Deeds contains a John Thomson, Master Wheelwright, who apprenticed a John Gunter [a common spelling error for Grinter] beginning 3 March 1763 in Albemarle County, Virginia. Harold B. Gill, Jr., Apprentices of Virginia 1623 (Salt Lake City, Utah, no date, p. 105 says:

Grunter, John Master:  Thomson, John Beginning date: 08/18/1759, Sex: male (Source King George County Orders 1751-1765, p. 856) This same John Thomson appears later in John's life as well. In an affidavit made before a justice of the peace in Butler County, Kentucky, his son, Robert Thompson stated that John Grinter was living with my father as an apprentice at the time of his enlistment [cited earlier in the document as the summer of 1877 with the implication that it was in Prince Edward County, Virginia] and did not return home for upward of four years."  It is said elsewhere as well that lived in Virginia in Prince Edward County during the Revolutionary War, but that he "settled" in Campbell County, Virginia. It is not clear as to whether he was supposed to have settled there during or after the war. [The specific sources for the above data need to be added.]

Barney Thompson, a researcher of the Thompson Family, comments on the about statements that I have made about John Thompson as follows:

I think that the John Thom(p)son who appears later in John’s life was not from Albemarle County, Virginia, but from Prince Edward County, Virginia. The Robert Thompson who “stated that John Grinter was living with my father as an apprentice at the time of his enlistment” was most likely the son of John Thompson, a blacksmith in Prince Edward County.  Here is an excerpt regarding this family, the generations of which were
    1.     Rev. John Thomson
    2.     Abraham Thompson
    3.     John Thompson, blacksmith
    4.     Robert Thompson

The following is from: http://genforum.genealogy.com/thomson/messages/1202.html

4) ABRAHAM THOMSON 9c. 1718 – post 1772; son of John Thomson) married ----------------; lived in Prince Edward County, where he was defendant in a suit instituted by the executors of the estate of Samuel Ewing. Although the record is not completely clear, it seems that Samuel Ewing had mortgaged his property to Abraham Thompson for 250 pounds, due to be paid 15 November 1766. Apparently when no payment was made within a reasonable time after the due date, the mortgages took possession, and the suit was begun by the executors to recover the property. Among the loose papers of the Courthouse at Farmville are some that pertain to this suit. One reads, “We of the jury find for the def(endan)t … (Signed) Jehu H. Walton, foreman.: Another says, “I give up all my right and title of the within bond and the land it shall recover or damages, to my son John Thomson as witness my hand 23d day of January 1770…. (Signed) Abm. Thompson”. On 14 April 1770, George Ewing, Alexander and Rachel Ewing, William and Jane Ewing, John and Elenor Caldwell, James and Margaret Ewing and Ann Ewing conveyed to John Thompson, smith, and Abraham Thompson the 395 acre tract “whereon Samuel Ewing did live”, being on the north fork of Fort Creek. The witnesses were Samuel and Andrew Wallace, Joseph Parks and John Caldwell. (3 Prince Edward Deeds 488). On 22 March 1772 there was recorded the deed whereby Abraham transferred to John Thomson, his son, his equity in the above=mentioned property. (5 Prince Edward Deeds 36). ....  In his will, dated 26 March 1793, proved in court 15 June 1795, John Thompson left to his sons Robert and Roger “all the lands in the tract on which I now live”

This is probably the Thompson family that John Grinter apprenticed to.  The time frame is more likely than the Albemarle County, Virginia John Thomson.  John Grinter was an elder at Caney Fork Presbyterian Church in Logan County, KY, a church whose charter trustees was made up of former Prince Edward County residents.

Perhaps most significantly, John Grinter’s name appears in the “Petition for Religious Liberty” that was circulated in the Buffalo Community of Prince Edward County in 1776.  Not only is his name on the list, it is sandwiched between a group of Thompson's which includes “John Thompson, blacksmith.”  Naturally, John Grinter would have enlisted about the time of this petition, or as you website states, “Robert Thompson stated that John Grinter was living with my father as an apprentice at the time of his enlistment.” 

Here is a picture of page four of the petition, from

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=relpet&fileName=000/011/011page.db&recNum=3&tempFile=./temp/~ammem_tlC5&filecode=relpet&next_filecode=relpet&prev_filecode=relpet&itemnum=5&ndocs=7

This signatures of John Grinter and the Thompson's appear together probably because John was physically a member of John Thompson, blacksmith, household or at Thompson’s premises when the signatures were collected. Of course, John Grinter may have apprenticed in Albemarle County to a John Thomson; but the Robert Thompson who makes the statement about John Grinter working as an apprentice for his father was probably from Prince Edward County. [This ends the pertinent comments of Barney Thompson. If anyone has further informatoion on this, contact me, your editor, or Barney Thompson bthompson@indy.rr.com

John Grinter joined the Colonial Army as a private in the 12th Virginia Regiment of Foot. His pay records show that he was at the following places: March-March 1778, 12th Virginia Regiment, Valley Forge, Pennsylvania; June 1778, Paramus, New Jersey; July 1778, 4th Virginia Regiment, White Plains, New York; September 1778, 8th Virginia Regiment, Camp Robinson Farm; 19 December-14 January 1779, Camp Middle Brook; 11 June 1779, Smith's Grove; July 1779, 8th Virginia Regiment, Ramepoe; 12 May 1789. John was taken prisoner at Charleston, South Carolina, on 12 May 1780 for fifteen months. In about August 1781 he was exchanged as a prisoner-of-war at Williamsburg, Virginia.  It is said that he was badly wounded at the Battle of Brandywine. It is said that he lay on the battlefield all night with a spear in his hip. He was discharged in Virginia on 25 July 1781 as a sergeant, a date conflicting with his release as a prisoner-of-war. It is also said that John was taken prisoner at the Battle of Yorktown, Virginia. [Research in this area continues. Editor]

The following are references to John Grinter's Service in the American Revolution (See Also Pension Papers that follow):

1. Index of Revolutionary War Pension Applications in the National Archives, revised by Giller, Dumont, & Dumont. National Genealogical Society, Washington, 1966, p. 475: GRINTER, John, VA., S36560.
2. V. D. White, Abs., Genealogical Abstracts of Revolutionary War Pension Files, Vol. 2 (Waynesboro, TN: National Historical Publishing Co., 1991), p. 1445: GRINTER, John, S36560, VA Line, a copy of sol's will is in the file dated 1 Sep 1808 in Logan Co KY & he names a son John H. Grinter & also mentions a BLW #4174 surveyed in Nov 1800 for 300 acres on the Scioto River [Ohio], sol appl [application]  2 Mar 1829 Logan Co KY, he enl [enlisted] in Prince Edward Co VA.
3. Gwathmay, Historical Register of Virginians in the Revolution: Soldiers, Sailors, Marines, 1775-1783, Vol. XII, pp. 326, 330: Grenter, John, 8 CL [8th Virginia Regiment, Continental Line] [p. 326]. Grinter, John, 4, 8 and 12 CL [4th, 8th, and 12th Regiments of the Virginia Line], 8 CL [repeated] [8th Regiment, Continental Line], also as Grinton, Grenter.
4. National Society of the DAR, Washington, D.C., 1966, DAR Patriot Index, p. 287: GRINTER, John: b. 6-  -1755 d 5-27-1831 m Elizabeth Hill Pvt VA*.
5. National Society of the DAR, Washington, D.C. [1966?], DAR Patriot Index-Index to Patriot's Spouses, p. 345: HILL, ELIZABETH = John Grinter I 287.
6. Company Muster Roll, Capt. Thomas Bowyer's Company. of the 12th Virginia Regiment of Foot commanded by Colonel. James Wood, John Grinton, private, Appears on Company Muster Roll, Enlisted August 8, 1777. Term of enlistment three years:
[a] for the  month March, 1778. Roll dated Valley Forge April  3
[b] for the month April, 1778. Roll dated Valley Forge May 2,
[c] for the month July 1778. Roll dated White Plains August 3
[d] for the month September 1778. Roll dated Camp Robinson Farm October 5
[e] Roll dated Middle Brook 19 December 1778-14 January 1779
[f] for the month May 1779. Roll dated Smiths Cove June 11, 1779
[g] for the month  July 1779. Roll dated Ramepoe August 3 1779
[There may be other Company Muster Rolls Available. Editor]
7. A record in the Archives, State Museum at Richmond, Virginia says:
"I do hereby certify that John Grinter, Sergt., in Col. Gist's detachment of Virginia Line has served the full time for which he enlisted and is    hereby    discharged from the service, that he received his pay in Continental money up to the last day of November 1779, since which    he received only two dollars in specie from the D.[epartment] Comisy [Commissary], Gen.[eral], of provisions in Charleston.
       Given under my hand at Williamsburg this the 25th, day of July 1781. John Gillison, Cap. Com. D. Stephenson, Majr." (This paper is in the Grinter File of the Logan County Historical Society)
8. H. J. Eckenrode, Archivist, Virginia State Library, certified the following to be a true copy of a manuscript in the library:
    "I do certify that John Grinter enlisted himself with me August the first 1777, for to serve in the 12th. Virga. Regt., and was advanced to sergeant the first of Dec. 1779.
    Hezekiah Morton, Capt.
    8th, Virga. Regt.  (This paper is in the Grinter File, p. 1 of the Logan County Historical Society)"
9. In 1784, John Grinter wrote to the Auditor of Public Accounts, saying:
"I do hereby authorize and empower Ezekiel Parks to receive my land warrant as directed by my discharge.  Given under my hand this 8th of March, 1784. John Grinter"  (This paper is in the Grinter File of the Logan County Historical Society)
10. The following information on Revolutionary War Veterans was submitted by Grinter Researcher, Martha Brown:

Grinter, John
Warrant ID:      3078.0
Rank:                Sergeant
Veteran Name: Grinter, John
Acres:               200
Unit:                 Virginia Continental Line
Date:                 05/14/1784
Years:                3
Land-Office Military Warrant, No. 3078.
To the principal SURVEYOR of the Land, set apart for the Officers and Soldiers; Commonwealth of Virginia
This [one word illegible] be you: WARRANT to survey and lay off in one or [?] more surveys. for John Grinter his Heirs or Assigns; the Quantity of two hundred Acres of Land, due unto the said John Grinter in consideration of his Services for three years as a Sergeant in the Virginia Cont. line agreeably to a Certificate from the Governor and Council, which is received into the Land-Office.
GIVEN under my Hand and Seal of the said Office, this 14th Day of May in the Year One Thousand Seven Hundred and 84.

* * *

Thompson in The Thompson Family of Prince Edward County, Virginia, p. 139 says:

On November 18, 1788 John Grinter purchased 244 acres of land in Prince Edward County. The land was located on Fort Creek and was previously owned by James Park, who was a previous owner of Thomas Thompson's land. In the deed John was described as 'of Charlotte'. He probably lived in a section of Charlotte County which was near the Cub Creek Presbyterian Church. This church served many of the same Scots-Irish families whose relatives attended Buffalo Presbyterian Church, of which John [Grinter] was a member in 1776 when "The petition for Religious Liberty" was circulated.

The following information contributed by descendant Martha Brown from an article entitled "History Sketch of Buffalo Creek," describes the Buffalo Community in which John Grinter lived:

. . . John Thomson and Joan Caldwell led a colony [in the 1780s] led a colony of their fellow-Presbyterians from Pennsylvania to settle in the region that became the Cub Creek and Buffalo communities. . . They were not English, but strictly Scotch [Irish] the same blood that has made Presbyterianism prevalent today in the Valley of Virginia. . . In the main, the records of Buffalo reveal a predominantly Scotch type noted for three things: they were land owners, having respect for property rights and financial obligations; they were possessed of a zeal for orthodoxy in both theology and church polity; their besetting sin was liquor.

Although John Grinter was probably born English it appears that his new life in  America was greatly influenced by John Thomson and his fellow Scotch-Irish neighbors. John's descendants later married persons from this same community.

John Grinter moved to Kentucky along with other members of his community, as documented in the article "The History Sketch of Buffalo Creek:

The following notation from the Buffaloe Presbyterian Church  Sessional Record, 1804-1871, was  dated  October, 1806; it  proves that  John  was a member  just before he  moved to Kentucky. "John Caldwell,  his  wife and  two  daughters, John Grinter,  his  wife  and  daughter, and  Joseph Bigger  were dismissed  from Buffaloe      congregation  to  move to Tennessee and Kentucky." [p. 27] John first  appeared on a Logan County [Kentucky] tax  list in June 1807.      [In 1807  John  Grinter   was  granted  219 acres of  land on  Muddy Creek in  Logan County  by  deed of Willis Hargrove. (Deed Book  B-64, Logan County (Kentuc) Court House] In Kentucky, he was an elder of Caney Fork Presbyterian Church ... Nearly all of the congregation's early  members  were   John's  neighbors   from  Prince  Edward  County.   These  included  Moses  Read  [his  son  Francis  Grinter's     father-in-law] and Thomas Thompson." Revolutionary War Land Warrant No. 4174 shows that he was in Logan County in 1829 and on 13 July 1829 in Butler County, at which time he transferred to land to his son John [Grinter].

According to V. D. White, Genealogical Abstracts of Revolutionary War Pension Files, vol. 2, p. 145, the same Bounty Land Warrant 4174 was surveyed in November 1800 for 300 acres on the Scioto River and it says that John Grinter's [the elder's] will of 1 September 1808 in Logan County names John R. Grinter. According to the same source, he applied for a pension 2 March 1829 and gave his residence as being in Logan County. Revolutionary War Claim [Pension] No. 20904 indicates that he received eight dollars a month from that claim. In Marie Taylor Clark, Ohio Lands South of the Indian Boundary Line, p. 40, the name John Grinter appears. On p. 79 there is a John Gunter, Quantity & Rate 2-10 [possibly a tax of 2 pounds and 10 shillings], Water Course: Ohio River, Acres sold: 1, Purchased: Ebenezer Wheeler, entered for John Gunter.

Both Wanda Weeks and her husband, Clarence, and  Nathalie and Tom Hahn visited Russellville on separate trips in attempt to find or corroborate the Grinter data. It appeared that the house of Samuel Grinter -- Moses Grinter's uncle-- after which Moses Grinter patterned his house in Kansas, burned down many years ago. Grinter Researcher Martha Brown has tracked down many valuable Grinter Records. We are grateful for her services.

John Grinter's Pension Papers Relating to His Revolutionary War Service.
1. Paper marked " Pension Paper Abstracts for Soldiers". [Source not known]:
GRINTER: JOHN. VIRGINIA. Number S-36560.
At the time of this application he was at the age of 75 years.  He enlisted for a tour of three months in June of the year 1777 in Prince Edward County in the state of Virginia to serve under the command of Captain Thomas Bayers, Lieutenant Porter and Colonel Jonathan Clark in the Virginia Line on the Continental Establishment. He served his country until after the taking of Cornwallis, and he then continued to serve for four years when he was taken a prisoner at Charlestown on May 12th. And he was held by the enemy for a period of fifteen months when he was exchanged with some British prisoners at Williamsburg in the State of Virginia. He served in the Battle after which was taken Cornwallis at York. He was a farmer by trade and occupation before the beginning of the war of the Revolution. His property was worth only $165.
Robert Thomson swears as to his service and also that the said Grinter  was his father's apprentice. Thomas Carson swears as to his service and that he served in the Revolutionary War with the said John Grinter. John H. Grinter a son swears in open court that his father gave to him his bounty land received from the government for services."
2. John Grinter was awarded the following Warrant for his Revolutionary War Service: Warrant No. 3078  Grinter, John  Sergeant  Va. Continental Line Term 3 years  Date May 14, '84 (Wilson, Samuel M, compiler, Catalog of Revolutionary Soldiers and Sailors of the Commonwealth of Virginia to Whom Land Bounty Warrants Were Granted by Virginia for Military Service in Service in the War for Independence : Genealogical Publishing Company (Baltimore, 1967)
3. State of Kentucky, Butler County 10 July 1829

This day Thomas Carson does personally appear before me Wm. E. Dixon a Justice of the Peace for Butler County make oath that he lived in Prince Edward County, State of Virginia at the commencement of the Rev. War and that he enlisted in February 1776 and that in November 1777 Lt. William Porter arrived at Valley Forge and John  Grinter was then enlisted with him in the continental establishment for the term of three years in the Virginia lines, he was well acquainted with said John Grinter before his enlistment  and ever since his return from the service. He knows that said Grinter was gone from his home upwards of four years and from general report was in the continental service this whole time until he was taken prisoner which detained him over his term of service he further states that he is well acquainted with John Grinter and knows him to be much afflicted with the Rheumatism and scarcely able to go about and is a very poor man, but a most upright man and a good worthy citizen." Thomas Carson.

4. State of Kentucky, Butler County  undated but possibly about 10-13 July 1829 as were the entries next above and below]

This day Robert Thomson personally appeared before me Wm. E. Dixon a Justice of the Peace in and for the county afore and made oath that John Grinter enlisted for the term of three years in the summer 1777 in the state of Virginia, Prince Edward County in the company commanded by Capt. Thomas Bowyer but was enlisted by Lt. Wm. Porter in the Regt. commanded by Col. Jonathan Clark, I think the 12th Regt in the Continental establishment. Said Thomson further states that John Grinter was living with my father John Thompson as an apprentice at the time of his enlistment  [that is, at about age 22] and did not return home upwards of four years having stayed upwards of a year more than his enlistment owing as he mentions his being detained as a prisoner of war with the British after his tem of service had expired he knows it was generally understood that in the neighborhood that said Grinter was taken prisoner at Charlestown [one illegible word] General Lincoln]. Robert Thompson, his x mark.

5. State of Kentucky, Butler County, 13th day of July 1829

This day John H. Grinter personally before me, Wm. S. Dixon a justice of the peace for said county made oath that his father John Grinter on the first day of September, 1808 gave to him his land that he was entitled to for his service in the Revolutionary War which was evident by Warrant No. 4174, which was surveyed on the Scioto in the State of Ohio which is evidenced by John Grinter bond here enclosed and made a part of the affidavit he further that he went on to the State of Ohio  and found the land as described on Panslee [spelling?]  marsh of writing and sold the same for three little chunks of of acres of land being sorry and scarcely worth anything. he same for three little chunks of land being sorry and scarcely worth anything

6. Marie Taylor Clark, Ohio Lands South of the Indian Boundary Line, p. 40:  Grinter John
7. Duplicate of the Lands to Be Sold in Clermont County by John Carlisle Collector VA Lands, Sales of Lands Now Regarded Delinquent of the Military District in the County of Clermont for the Taxes of 1802 by John Carlisle Col., p. 79:
Gunter John Quantity & Rate 2-10, Water Course Ohio river, Acres Sold 1, Purchased Ebenezer Wheeler.
8. Annie W. Burns Bell, comp., Logan County, Kentucky Pension Records: Abstracts of Pension Papers of the Soldiers of the Revolutionary War, War of 1812, and Indian Wars Residing in Logan County, Kentucky, n.d. [but before 1984], p. 28:
He was on the Kentucky Roll of Pensions at the rate of $8 per month and it was to commence on August 15th 1829. His certificate of pension was issued on August 28th of the year 1829 and it was sent to Spencer Curd at Russellville in the state of Kentucky.
9. Mrs. Lalla McCulley, comp., Logan County Kentucky Records, Vol. 1,"Revolutionary War Pension List for Logan County, Lewisburg, KY, 1969, p 2: Grinter, John b. 1741 [in contrast with other records saying his birth year was 1755]
10. Kentucky Pension Roll of 1835, abstracted by William R. Navy, and provided by Martha Brown mrbrown10@comcast.net :

JOHN GRINTER
LOGAN COUNTY
PRIVATE
VIRGINIA LINE
$96.00 ANNUAL ALLOWANCE
$263.00 AMOUNT RECEIVED
AUGUST 28, 1829 PENSION STARTED
AGE 78 [born about 1857]

Where did John Grinter settle in Logan County? Deed research is difficult because Logan County was not formed until 1792. It has been thought that he and his family lived in the vicinity of the Smith's Cemetery, 13 miles north of Russellville, where John and Elizabeth and others are buried. It is not certain, but it does not appear that John Grinter received Bounty Land in Logan County. In 1807  there is an Indenture on page 64 of Deed Book B, Logan County, dated 3 April 1807 wherein "Willis Hargrove , one part, and John Gunter, other part, $600 pd, 219 acres on Big Muddy Creek*. Signed also by Jane Hargrove, wife of Willis. Wit: Geo Berry, Hugh Porter, jr, David Porter." (Logan County, Kentucky, Deed Abstracts 1792-1813, FHL 976.976/R28m, p.62) This may give us a clue as to where his property was. [Te be researched further. One document, A Memorial Record of Kansas City and Jackson County, Missouri, in speaking of John Grinter, "A native of Virginia, he removed in an early day to Kentucky, locating in Logan County, where his son John H had previously secured a location for the family. Thus, finding the deed records of John H., Grinter would be very helpful in locating the property of John Grinter. Knowing and finding the location of the property where they lived would be a very interesting thing for the family to know. A visit there would help satisfy the type of place they lived in their early days in Kentucky.

 John Grinter may have been involved in local affairs and politics, as he was listed twice as an Appraiser in the settlement of estates in 1812. (Logan County Genealogical Society, Abstracts of Wills & Settlements Logan County, Kentucky, 1795-1838. Russellville, KY, n. d., p. 15)

John Grinter is listed in the 1820 U.S. Census for Russelville, Logan County, p. 038. The John H. Grinter in the 1830 U.S. Census at Russellville, p. 082,  farmer, with a wife and a small grandchild, is probably his son, John H. Grinter.

Kentucky Cemetery Records [full citation not known:
John Grinter b. 6/-/1755 d. 5-27-1831 m. Elizabeth Hill Pvt VA DAR Patriot Index, 1966 d. Aug. 17, 1830 Age 74 Smith Cemetery nr Logan-Butler Co. Line. Grinter Graveyard 3 miles fm Russellville on Hopkinsville Road.

According to The Thompson Family of Prince Edward County, Virginia, p. 139, John Grinter died 27 May 1831 and both he and his wife were buried in the Smith Cemetery [sometimes referred to as the Smith's Old Cemetery] located in the northeast corner of Logan County, near the Butler County line. The same source says that the Grinter homestead was five miles west of Russellville, on the road leading toward Elkton.

There was an Inventory of John Grinter's his will in Book E, p. 36. It was dated 10 June 1831. The Cmr. [Commissioner?] was Samuel Thompson, the Administrator Jon. W. Simmons, Executor Samuel Grinter. (Abstracts of Wills and Settlements of Logan County, Kentucky LDS Family History Library 976.976/P28a, p. 119) There was a Settlement of his will in Book E, p. 109-111, dated 1 August 1832. Comr. Spencer Curd, M. B. Martin. Samuel Grinter. (Ibid. p. 122)

A Summary of John Grinter's will:

GRINTER, JOHN, Book E, p. 20 To Samuel, son, house and land; to John W., Francis, Robert, James, sons, $1.00 each; to Jane Young, Betsy Young, Peggy Crewdson, Sally Smith, daughters, equal part of balance of property. Written 22 Sept. 1827. Wit.: Hugh Porter, Berry Porter, James Ewing. Signature is written. Date of probate: Sept 1831. ( Logan County Genealogical Society, Abstracts of Wills & Settlements Logan County, Kentucky 1795-1838. Russellville, KY, n. d., p. 30) The settlement of John Grinter's will was on 1 August 1832. It is summarized in ibid., p. 122:
GRINTER, JOHN, Book E, pp. 109-111. Settlement. Dated 1 Aug. 1832. Comr.: John Grubbs, Joseph Herndon. Adm.: Samuel Grinter.

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There are many stories about John Grinter in his post Revolutionary War Days. James H.  Lawler, a John Grinter Descendant,  contributed the following story:

John always traveled light with some gold but little "pack", he walked and carried a "Pennsylvania" rifle, as he could out walk a horse, -- 50 miles a day-- where the horse could do at best about 40 miles, -required watering, currying, and other attention that cut into travel time, and could not maintain even that 40 miles a day without a grazing day or two; for the required 3 weeks at a time as John could. Thus Logan County, KY to Tidewater Virginia (about 1000 miles-- by the rough roads of that time-- 900 miles per Rand McNally today) was a three week / 20-21 day journey depending on how much lay over John took with friends on the way, and he did it one particularly urgent/rushed trip in only 18 days. [Other stories will be added. To be continued.]

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In the Logan County Historical Society there is an item in the John Grinter Papers, p. 3 entitled, "Grinter History." It is cited herein in its entirety:

JOHN GRINTER I. Was born in the year 1755. He landed in America as an infant and an orphan, his mother and father having died at sea. He was placed on the door-step of one of the houses in the Colony at Jamestown, Virginia. In some manner, his name was understood to be "Grunter." At a later date, two men came to the young lad and told him, "Your name is not 'Grunter,' but 'Grinter.' We came over in the ship with you and know what your name is. Young Grinter grew to manhood in the Jamestown Colony, and when the war of the Revolution came on, he joined the Colonial Army. He was wounded in battle (believed to be the Battle of Brandywine), lying all night on the battle-field with a British spear in his hip.  He was cared for later, recovered from his wound, and served his time of enlistment in the army.

He later moved to Kentucky, and would often go back to Virginia, making the trip on horseback. One such trip was made with James P. Grinter, his son. Their route lay through what was called "the wilderness," where people were frequently robbed. They stopped one night at a little cabin on a hillside., to stay all night.  The old man was rather sullen, would not talk much. About dark a young man dropped in, and then another and another, all three carrying guns. Mr. Grinter and his son became alarmed, thinking that they would be robbed, and agreed to watch and wait. one sleeping at a time. After supper, one old man took his pipe and set out before the door, and began to smoke and talk. He related how he and three other men carried a cannon to the top of a hill to play on the British. Mr. Grinter said, "I was one of them." They immediately embraced each other, weeping like children. Mr. Grinter and his son were no longer afraid of being robbed. The young men who had come in and set up their guns were sons of their host, who had been out hunting.

On another of these trips on horseback, Mr. Grinter was going in company with several others. They stopped and stayed all night at a tavern. Next morning they noticed that their flint-lock guns had been tampered with. The powder had been taken out of the pan. They primed their guns again and pursued their journey. When they had gone some miles from the tavern a big negro stepped out in the road and demanded their money. They shot him and returned     to the tavern  and told what they had done. The landlady threw up her hands and said, "Oh,  that was my husband." He had blackened himself and had gone ahead to rob them.

It was said that on one occasion a magistrate who had been a Tory, attempted to hold court in the vicinity where Mr. Grinter was a resident. Mr. Grinter stopped the proceedings saying, "No Tory can hold [court as long as I am around, or words to that effect]. The actual wording of the end of the incident is missing.]

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Also in the Logan County Historical Society in the Grinter Papers, is an article on p. 4, cited here in its entirety. A Note at the bottom of the page says,  "This it was taken from Page 27 of Records of Abstract papers pertaining to the Soldiers of the Indian-Revolutionary-1812 Wars, residing in Logan County, Kentucky. This book is at the Library of Kentucky Building, Bowling Green, Ky."

GRINTER, JOHN VIRGINIA Number S 36560
At the time of this application he was at the age of 75 years. He enlisted for a tour of three months [years?] in June of the year 1777 in Prince Edward County in the State of Virginia to serve under the command of Captain Thomas Bayers, Lieutenant Porter, and Colonel Jonathan Clark in the Virginia Line on the Continental Establishment. He served his country until after the taking of Cornwallis and he then continued to serve for four years when he was taken prisoner at Charleston on May 12th and he was held by the enemy for a period of fifteen months when he was exchanged with some British prisoners at Williamsburg in the State of Virginia. He served in the Battle after which was taken Lord Cornwallis at York.

He was a farmer by trade and occupation before the beginning of the Revolution. His property was worth only $165.00.

Robert Thompson swears as to his service and also that the said Grinter was his father's apprentice. Thomas Carson swears as to his service and that he served in the Revolutionary war with the said John Grinter.

He served under Captain Bayer and Colonel Clarke in the Virginia Line for a period of two years from June 17th of the year 1777 until 1780.

He was on the Kentucky roll of pensions at the rate of $8.00 per month and it was to commence on August 15th of the year 1827.

His certificate of pension was issued on August 28th of the year 1829 and it was sent to Spencer Curd at Russellville in the State of Kentucky.

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An account of his life in Logan County, Kentucky, is contained in the article by George Blakey of Logan County, (Number Thirty-Five, pp. 85-86.  "Men Whom I Remember")

It is a noticeable fact that in the early settlement of Logan county, the numerous springs of pure cool water and running streams watering the fertile valleys abounding in timber, attracted a large proportion of those early pioneers to make their homes in North Logan; and having taken a brief review of those on Black Lick Creek, my mind turns to that other beautiful stream only a few miles distant, known as Gasper River, near to which there loved, in the long ago, several old men whom I, and all others who knew them, love to remember, prominent among them were Elijah Mansfield, David and Benjamin Sawyer, John Grinter, Samuel Hutchinson, and others.

Mr. Grinter was a much older man, having emigrated from Virginia with his young family soon after the close of the Revolutionary War, in which he took an active part. He was a man of great industry, and while in his old age his sons and grand-sons would have cultivated his farm for him, yet he from choice was ever at his post, believing as he did, that it was no discredit to a man or woman to be seen working. His sons, John, Robert, James, Frank, and Samuel, having been trained up to habits of industry and economy, adhered to this early training, accumulated each a handsome competency and dying each at an old age, leaving their children handsome property in addition to an untarnished reputation and while none of them have been aspirants to office, it has been conceded that they were men of far more than ordinary capacity, men from whom many in official stations might have taken lessons of wisdom. These men were proverbial for their kindness of heart, beloved by all who how to appreciate their true merit.

                                                   
This old house was on the west side of State Route 79 about 12 miles north of Russellville and about a mile from the Smith Cemetery containing in the graves of John Grinter and Elizabeth Hill. It was the only old house visible from the road in the vicinity of the cemetery. It may have been similar to the type of house that the Grinter's had. (Tom Hahn , April 2003)

                                                                       
Detail of the house above, showing the typical log house with noggin, covered with weatherboarding. (Tom Hahn Photo)

Census: US Kentucky, Lincoln [now Logan County, Russellville. Ancestry.com Image 17/26. All his sons -- except Francis who is listed elsewhere in Russellville, Logan County -- and his married daughter's spouses are listed as his neighbors. John Grinter One male over 45 [before 1775], one female over 45 [before 1775], one person engaged in agriculture.

In his will in Book E, page 20 in the Logan County Probate Records, written on 22 September 1827, John Grinter left to his son, Samuel, his house and land. He left $1.00 each to his sons John W., Francis, Robert, and James and to his daughters Jane Young, Betsy Young, Peggy Crewdson, and Sally Smith he left each an equal part of the balance of his property. (Abstract of Wills and Settlements, Logan County, Kentucky. Family History Library 976.976/P28a). In Book E, p.36, is an Inventory of his estate dated 10 June 1831, Samuel Thompson Commissioner [?]; Jno. W. Simmons, Administrator; and, Samuel Grinter [Executor?] (Ibid, p.119) There is a Settlement of his Estate in Book E., pp. 109-111, dated 1 August 1832, Commissioner [?] Spencer Curd; Administrator M.B. Morton; and, Executor [?] Samuel Grinter. (Ibid, p.122)

There are two cemeteries in Logan County, Kentucky, that contain two or more generations of the Grinter and collateral families:
THE GRINTER CEMETERY WEST OF RUSSELLVILLE, LOGAN COUNTY, KENTUCKY is described as being four miles west of Russellville on the north side of old US 68 about sixty yards in from the road on private land. It is described as being at the old Dry Fork Church. (Paper in the Logan County Historical Society) Many Grinters and collateral families are buried here.
THE SMITH CEMETERY NORTH OF RUSSELLVILLE, LOGAN COUNTY, KENTUCKY - The Smith Cemetery is on State Route 79 near the Logan and Butler county lines. It appears to be a short distance southwest of Pauline.  John Grinter and Elizabeth Hill Grinter are buried here and some of their sons and daughters and perhaps other family members. We have not yet found the place where their son, Francis, was buried.

                                                                    
The Smith Cemetery is a typical country one in a pleasant setting with very large oak trees. John Grinter and Elizabeth's Hill's grave monuments can be seen in the middle, background, with bordering road on the south boundary. One wonders if there was a church at one time at or near the intersection of the road to the left. Tom Hahn took the photo in April 2003.


                                                        
The Grave Markers for John Grinter (right) and Elizabeth (Hill) Grinter (left) in the Smith Cemetery. Elizabeth's marker reads: "In memory of Elizabeth Consort of John Grinter who departed this life Aug, the 17th, 1830. Aged 71 Years." That is, she was born about 1859, but an item on John Grinter and his family in the Logan County [Kentucky] Historical Society, has her birth year as 1856. John's birth marker says: "In Memory of John Grinter who departed this life May the 27th, 1831, Aged 76 Years." That is, he was born about 1755. The document in the Logan County Historical Society calls this cemetery the "old Smith's Grave Yard." (Photo by Tom Hahn in 2003)

                                                                 
"IN memory of ELIZABETH Consort of JOHN GRINTER who departed this life Aug, the 17th, 1830. Aged 71 Years" Photo by Tom Hahn in 2003

     
In Memory of JOHN GRINTER who departed this life May the 27th, 1831, Aged 76 Years (Tom Hahn photo, 2003)

Pat (Hahn) Blair and D. J. (Walter) Reineke at the Grave Markers of John and Elizabeth Grinter on 24 in October 2006. (Photo by Rob Reineke)

The Old Smith Cemetery where John and Elizabeth Grinter are Buried. Their burial markers are in the vicinity of the large oak trees in the center, background. (Photo by Bob Reineke)
 

The nine children of John Grinter and Elizabeth Hill are:
1.  FRANCIS "FRANK" GRINTER, from Prince Edward County, Virginia,  was born in January, February, or March 1787. On 16 April 1808 in Logan County, he married Susanna Read . Francis died in 1864 in Butler County, Kentucky. His place of burial not known but was reported [source not known] to be the Smith Cemetery in Logan County, Kentucky. They had  nine children (See Francis Grinter.)

2. JOHN HILL GRINTER of Prince Edward County, Virginia, was  born on 10 March 1788. He married on 20 May 1813 Nancy Crewdson. John Hill died on 7 March 1870 and was buried in the Smith Cemetery near Russellville, Logan County, Kentucky. GRINTER, John. H., b. March 10, 1788, d. March 7, 1870 (Logan County Genealogical Society, Logan County, Kentucky. Cemeteries, "Smith Cemetery," p. 88: John H. Grinter, born March 10, 1788, died March 7, 1870. Tom and Nathalie Hahn did locate his grave marker on their visit to the cemetery in  April 2003. John Hill Grinter married Nancy Crewdson  under License of 17 May 1813. (Logan County Court House Record) 

John Hill Grinter was probably active in local affairs in Logan County. On 4 November 1813 he was the witness to an Indenture. (Joyce Martin Murray, abstractor, Logan County, Kentucky Deed Abstracts 1813-1819: Abstracts of Deed Books Volumes D, E, F, G, n d , Dallas, TX. p. 36. In Logan County Surveys, p. 612, there is an entry on 26 March 1822 for 200 acres on Big Muddy Creek for John H. Grinter. On 11 March 1823, he was named an Appraiser in the inventory and sale  disposal or property associated with a will in Logan County. (Logan County Genealogical Society, Abstracts of Wills & Settlements Logan County, Ky. 1795-1838. Russellville, Kentucky, no date, p. 62)  John Hill Grinter was also the Administrator of a Will Inventory on 26 June 1843 in Logan County. (Ibid. 1838-1856, p. 25.) and a Will Equity case on 6 Nov 1844. (Ibid., p. 57)

NANCY CREWDSON, spouse of John Hill Grinter,  was born on 10 March 1791, died on 18 August 1868, and was reported to be buried in the Smith Grinter near Russellville, Logan County.  (Logan County Genealogical Society, Logan County, Kentucky. Cemeteries, "Smith Cemetery," p. 88: Nancy Grinter, wife of John H. Grinter, d. Aug. 18, 1868, age 77 years [born about 1791]) Tom and Nathalie Hahn did not locate her grave marker in their visit to the cemetery in April 2003. In the distribution of property of his father-in-law, William Crewdson, filed 7 July 1814,  John H. Grinter and his wife Nancy Crewdson were willed a "Negro" slave named John. (Logan County Genealogical Society, Abstracts of Wills & Settlements Logan County, Kentucky 1795-1838, p. 30; Montgomery Vanderpool, comp., Logan County Kentucky Abstract of Equity Cases, vol. 1, p. 34). Russellville, KY, no date, p. 30).

John Hill Grinter and Nancy Crewdson had eleven children:
   (1) William H. Grinter, was born on 18 March 1814, Logan County, Kentucky, died 1846/1849, and married on 2 April 1837 in Logan County,  Mary Ann Frazer.
   (2) Samuel A. Grinter, was born 15 December 1815, Logan County, Kentucky, married on 3 April 1843, Logan County, his cousin Elizabeth S. "Lizzie" Grinter, daughter of James P. Grinter. He died in 1902.
   (3) Elizabeth "Lizzy" Grinter, was born on 7 November  1818, Logan County, Kentucky, married ca. 1852, John Proctor Mize. She died on 9 November 1872, Logan County.   
  (4) Perry Newton Grinter, was born on 20 December 1820, Logan County, Kentucky, was married on 10 January  1850, Jackson County,  Missouri, Sarah Drucilla Moore of Independence, Missouri. He died on 26 February 1913in Logan County.
   (5) John J. Grinter, was born on 10 November 1824, Logan County, Kentucky, unmarried, and was buried in the Grinter  Chapel Cemetery, Kansas City, Wyandotte County, Kansas.
   (6) Thomas A. Grinter, was born on 10 October 1827, Logan County, Kentucky, died on 4 January 1892, Logan County, and married first, in 1850, Martha Tyler of Logan County; married second  Emily Stephens.
   (7) George W. Grinter, was born on 4 September 1829, was of Logan County, Kentucky, and was unmarried.
   (8) Reuben L. Grinter, was born on 11 November 1830, in Logan County, Kentucky, died on 19 October 1835, Logan County.
   (9) Minerva N. Grinter, born on 25 January 1832, Logan County, Kentucky, died 1897 in Logan County, and married Dr. John  Lasley on 18 February 1845 in Logan County.
   (10) Nancy Jane Grinter, born on 7 July 1833, Logan County, Kentucky, married John Woods.
  (11) James P. Grinter, born on 18 March 1835, Logan County, Kentucky, married 12 June 1867, Sarah Ann Stephens

3. JANE OR "JANIE" OR "JENNIE" GRINTER was from Prince Edward County, Virginia. She was born about 1789 and died before 1850 [not being in the 1850 Census]. Jane married on 21 July 180- in Prince Edward County, JOHN YOUNG. The children and some of the other descendants of Jane "Jennie" Grinter and John Young according to James T. Lawler Nifabian@aol.com were:
  1  John Young was born about 1781 in Pennsylvania. He later went to Virginia. John died after 1821 [in [Butler County, Kentucky.] John married Jane "Jennie" Crenshaw Grinter. She was born after 1786 in Virginia and died before 1850 in Kentucky.
          2  Susan /Jenny H. Young was born after 1806. She married David Jackson Porter. He was born on 24 May 1815 in probably Butler County, Kentucky.
                      3  William Granville Porter was born after 1836. He probably died in Texas.
          2  William Beverly Young was born on 25 March 1809 in [Prince Edward County, Virginia or in Kentucky]. He died on 20 May 1855 in McLean County, Illinois. He married Florence Porter Ewing. She was born on 30 September 1813 in Butler County, Kentucky and died on 1 March 1859 in McLean County, Illinois.
                      3  Mary Jane Young  1837 in Logan County, Kentucky. She married Jonathan Burwell. He was born 1820-1840. He could not be found in the 1880 McLean County, Illinois census.
                      3  John James Young was born about 1839 in Logan County, Kentucky. He was not found in the US 1880 census for McLean County, Kentucky.
                      3  Susan B. Young was born about 1842 in Kentucky. She died after 1880 in [McLean County, Illinois] She married Stacy B. Kinsey. He   was born possibly about 1838 in Ohio and died after 1880.
                      3  William H. Young was born about 1845 in Logan County, Kentucky. He was not found in the  1880 US census.
                      3  Nancy E. Young was born about 1846 in Logan County, Kentucky.
                      3  Francis H. Young was born about 1847 in Allen County, Kentucky. He was not found in the 1880 census.
                      3  Martha Young was born about 1849 in Kentucky.
                      3  George E. Young was found about 1853 in McLean County, Illinois. He was not found in the 1880 census.
          2  John Henry Young was born in 1816 in Prince Edward County, Virginia or Kentucky. He died on 1 September 1878 in [Bates County] Missouri. He married Margaret EWING who was possibly born about 1816 in Kentucky. She died on 11 December 1842 in Butler County, Kentucky. Margaret was not named in her father's will.
                      3  Bellrana Young was possibly born in 1836 in Logan County, Kentucky.
                      3  Josephena Young was possibly born about 1837 in Logan County, Kentucky.
                      3  Paralee/Parlee M. Young was possibly born about 26 March 1848 in Logan County, Kentucky. He was possibly born about 26 March 1840 in Logan County, Kentucky. Paralee died on 29 January 1882 in McLean County, Illinois. She married David G. Palmer who was  born on 1 September 1837 in Addison County,  Vermont. He died in  1929 in McLean County, Illinois.
                      3  John William Young was born on 17 August 1841 in Logan County, Kentucky. He died on 16 August 1915 in McLean County, Illinois. John married Jane Moore who was born about 27 December 1837 in Perry County, Ohio. She died on 29  November 1912 in McLean County, Illinois.
          *2nd Wife of John Henry Young: Susan E Britt who died before 1867, probably in Illinois.
                      3  Bolin Francis Young was born on 14 August 1852 in McLean County, Illinois. He died on 10 October 1913 in Linn County, Kansas. He married Mary E. Eyman was born in February 1859 in Illinois. She died on 17 February 1948 at Bakersfield, California.
                      3  Lou Anna Young was born about 1857 in McLean County, Illinois. She married Robert HURT
                      3  Mary Jane Young was born 0n 7 August 1861 in McLean County, Illinois. She died on 10 April 1863 in McLean County.
          *3rd John Henry Young: Sarah A. Mills was born about 1832 in Indiana and died after 1880.
                      3  Minerva B. Young was born on 16 December 1869 in Missouri. She died on 5 September 1871 in Missouri.
                      3  Walter H. Young was born on 18 December 1872 in Bates County, Missouri. He died on 28 December 1872 in Missouri.
                      3  Unknown Young was born on 18 December 1872 in Missouri. He/she died on 10 January 1873 in Bates County, Missouri.
          2  Francis N. B. Young was born about 1821 in Logan County, Kentucky. He died there after 1800. He married Rachel/a Warden. She was born on 24 August 1824 in Butler County, Kentucky and died on 4 November 1894 in probably Butler County.
                      3  David B. Young was born about 1846.
                      3  John B. Young was born about 1849 in Kentucky. She died about 1849 in Kentucky.
                      3  P. M. Young was born about 1852 in Kentucky and died there after 1880. She married ______ Jones who was born in Tennessee and who died there before 1880.
                      3  Clem Young was born about 1862 in Kentucky and died after 1880.
                      3  Robert N. Young was born about 1865 in Kentucky and died after 1880.
                      3 ______ Young was born after 1845. [End of James T. Lawler submission]

4. ROBERT GRINTER was born on 15 October 1791 in Logan County, Kentucky and died on 9 February 1874. He was buried in the Smith Cemetery 13 miles north of Russellville, Logan County. (Logan County Genealogical Society, Logan County, Kentucky Cemeteries, "Smith Cemetery", p. 247):  Robert Grinter 15 Oct - 9 Feb 1874. John married on 22 March 1813 Mary "Polly" Smith (Logan County Court House Records) of King and Queen County, Virginia.

A  family record shows his birth as being on 3 February 1874. Robert Grinter may have been active in local Logan County affairs. On 4 November 1815 he was probably the witness to an Indenture there. (Joyce Martin Murray, abstractor, Logan County, Kentucky Deed Abstracts 1813-1819: Abstracts of Deed Books Volumes D, E, F, G, no date, Dallas, Texas, p. 36) On 20 July 1819, Robert and a James Grinter [relationship not known. but probably his brother, James P. Grinter] were named in an Indenture of $500 for 105 acres of land in Logan County. (Joyce Martin Murray, abstractor, Logan County, Kentucky Deed Abstracts 1813-1819: Abstracts of Deed Books Volumes D, E, F, G, no date, Dallas, Texas, p. 132). On pages 191 and 626 of The Logan County Surveys there are entries for Robert H. Grinter.

ROBERT GRINTER BORN Oct. 15, 1791 DIED Feb. 3, 1874Oct - 9 Feb 1874
Robert Grinter Grave Marker in the Smith Cemetery (Photo by Tom Hahn in 2003)

Mary "Polly" Smith, spouse of Robert Grinter,  was born on15 October 1787. She was the daughter of A. Smith. Mary died on 13 or 20 August 1845, and was buried the Smith Cemetery near  Russellville, Logan County. (Logan County Genealogical Society, Logan County, Kentucky. Cemeteries, "Smith Cemetery", p. 247: Mary Grinter consort of Robert Grinter 15 Oct 1787 - 13 Aug 1845.

                                                                                 
Mary (Smith) Grinter Grave Marker in the Grinter Cemetery (Photo by Tom Hahn in 2003)
In MEMORY of MARY GRINTER consort of R. GRINTER who was born Oct. 15, 1787 & died Aug. 13, 1815)

Their nine children of Robert Grinter and Mary Smith were:     
   (1) Margaret W. Grinter, was born on 23 January 1814, Logan County, Kentucky, died on 3 April 1890, buried Smith Cemetery, Logan County, and married on 21 November 1836 in Logan County, Bryan Warden.
    (2) Nancy M. Grinter, was born on 2 April 1815, in Logan County, Kentucky, and married on 11 September 1846 in Logan County, Thomas S. Crewdson.
   (3) Florence Pitt W. M. Grinter , was born on 1 March  1817, in Logan County, Kentucky, and married on 1 August 1841 in Logan County, James C. Maxwell.
   (4) Ambrose B. Grinter, was born on 23 February 1819, in Logan County, Kentucky, was buried in the Grinter Chapel Cemetery, Kansas City, Wyandotte County, Kansas, and married on 22 September 1857, in  Logan County, Mary E. McMillen.
   (5) Catherine M. Grinter, born on 13 January 1821, Logan County, Kentucky, died on 5 February 1885, Logan County, married on 20 April 1850 in Logan County, William Western Smith, the son of James A. Smith and Sarah A. "Sally" Grinter.
   (6) Lucy S. Grinter, born on 13 March 1823, in Logan County, Kentucky, married on October 1855, in Logan County, William Ewing.
   (7) Elizabeth M. Grinter, was born on 17 December 1823, Logan County, Kentucky.
   (8) Polly M. Grinter, born on 1 December, 1826, in Logan County, Kentucky, married on 1 February 1848 in Logan Co., John Wood.
   (9) Robert H. C. Grinter, born 4 September 1829, Logan County, Kentucky, died 20 August 1845, was buried in the Smith  Cemetery, Logan County (Logan County Genealogical Society, Logan County, Kentucky. Cemeteries, "Smith Cemetery," p. 247: Robert H. C. Grinter, 9 Sept 1829 - 20 Aug 1845)

                                                               
In Memory of ROBERT H. C. Grinter who was born Sept. 9 1829 died 20 Aug. 1845
The photo was taken at the Smith Cemetery by Tom Hahn in April 2003

5. ELIZABETH "BETTIE" GRINTER was born in 1792 in Logan County, Kentucky. She married on 3 August 1812 in Logan County, William Young, Sr.
Their five children were:
   (1) James H. Young, was born in 1815, Logan County, Kentucky, at age 35, based on the 1859 census, house No. 575, and married three times, including an Eliza _____ . He was buried in the the Young Cemetery, Corinth [presumable Kentucky.]
   (2) William E. Young was born  in 1817 in Logan County, Kentucky. In the 1880 census for that place, he was at house No. 271/272, age 60, married  on 30 September in 1841, Martha  Patterson. They had ten children. [Enigmatically, the "Grinter Papers, Logan County Historical Society, p. 5 the adds, "He married Elizabeth Mary Stewart May 4, 1892. All were buried in the Young Cemetery, Corinth.]
   (3) Sarah Young, was born 1818 in Logan County, Kentucky, and married ca.1838 William Ewing.[ According to the "Grinter Papers, Logan County Historical Society, p. 5, Evelyn Young married William "Will" Young.]
   (4) Nancy E. Young, was born in 1828 in Logan County, Kentucky. [Is this the Emaline Young who, according to the ""Grinter Papers, Logan County Historical Society, married a McMillan?]
   (5) Felix P. Young, was born in 1833 in Logan County, Kentucky.
   (6) John W. Young, was born on 10 August 1836 in Logan County, Kentucky and died on 3 October 1882, and was buried in Smith Cemetery in Logan County.
   (7) Usabi Ensable Young, was born 1839, Logan County, Kentucky.
   (8) Francis M. Young, was born 1839, Logan County, Kentucky.
   (9) Samuel M. Young, was born 1841, Logan County, Kentucky.
   (10) Permilla J. M. Young, was born 1844, Logan County, Kentucky.

6. MARGARET "PEGGY" GRINTER was born on 2 January 1796, Logan County, Kentucky. She married on 1 August 1814 in Logan County, Thomas S. Crewdson.  Margaret died in 1875, and was buried in the Smith Cemetery in Logan County, Kentucky.  (Logan County Genealogical Society, Logan County, Kentucky. Cemeteries, "Smith Cemetery," p. 247: Margaret Crewdson, consort of Robert Crewdson, 1796 - 1868).  Tom and Nathalie Hahn did not locate the grave marker for him or his spouse on their visit to the cemetery in 2003.

THOMAS S. CREWDSON, spouse of Margaret "Peggy" Grinter, was born on 1 August 1796 in Logan County. Thomas died in presumably Logan County and was buried in the Smith Cemetery in Logan County. (Ibid.: Thomas Crewdson 1787 - 1868)

MARGARET GRINTER AND THOMAS CREWDSON  had ten children:,
   (1) Arabel/Parella/Paralee R. Crewdson, was born on 4 June 1818, Logan County, Kentucky, died on 18 March 1891, Logan County, and married on 7 August 1846 in Logan County, Cyrus W. Parks. 
   (2) Thomas S. Crewdson, was born in October 1819, Logan County, Kentucky, in the 1850 Simpson County census at age  29, House No. 52  married 1 September 1846 in Logan County, Nancy M. Grinter.
   (3) John W. Crewdson, was born in 1821, Logan County, Kentucky, 1850, in the 1850 census age 29, House #533, married in December 1845, in Logan County, Sarah Ann Patterson. [Logan County Historical Society, "Grinter Papers," p. 4, says her name was Henrietta, possibly Henrietta Henderson.]
   (4) Reuben D. Crewdson, was born in 1823, Logan County, Kentucky, and was buried in the Smith Cemetery, Logan Co.  (Logan County Genealogical Society, Logan County, Kentucky. Cemeteries, "Smith Cemetery," p. 247: Reuben D. Crewdson, 1823)
    (5) Nancy Ann Crewdson, probably born 1826-1828, Logan County, Kentucky. She is shown in in the 1850 Logan County census as age 22, which would make her birth year 1828, and in the 1860 census as age 34 which would make her birth year 1826. Her tombstone says she was born in 1834, but the stone was erected years after her death.  (Logan County Genealogical Society, Logan County, Kentucky. Cemeteries, "Smith Cemetery," p. 247: Nancy Ann Crewdson, 1834-1899) She died 10 April 1899 in  Logan Co. ["Grinter Papers," p. 5, gives her middle initial as N.]
   (6) Margaret Ellen Crewdson, was born on 15 March 1827, Logan County, Kentucky, died 18 February 1895, was buried in the Smith Cemetery near Logan County, and married R. N. Patterson.  (Logan County Genealogical Society, Logan County, Kentucky. Cemeteries, "Smith Cemetery," p. 247: Margaret, 1827)
   (7) Mary Jane Crewdson, was born on 28 January 1829, Logan County, Kentucky, died 14 November 1875 in Logan County, and married 25 August 1949 in Logan County, William A. Porter.
   (8)  Sarah Crewdson, was born in 1830, Logan County, Kentucky, 1850 census age 18, House #529, died 16 December 1900, married ______ Brown.
   (9) Lucy A. Crewdson, was born in 1835, in Logan County, Kentucky, in the 1850 census at age 15, House No. 529, died 1914, Logan  County, and was buried in Smith Cemetery, Logan County. (Logan County Genealogical Society, Logan Co., KY. Cemeteries, "Smith Cemetery," p. 247: Lucy A. Crewdson, 1836)
   (10) America A. Crewdson, was bornin1838, Logan County, Kentucky, in 1850 census age 11, House No. 529, died in 1914, in Logan County, an was buried in the Smith Cemetery, Logan County.  (Logan County Genealogical Society, Logan County, Kentucky. Cemeteries, "Smith Cemetery," p. 247: America nee Crewdson.  She married ______ Wilson after 1870.
     
7. SAMUEL GRINTER was born on 12 May 1797 (Logan County Genealogical Society, Logan County, KY. Cemeteries, p. 88), Prince Edward County, Virginia and was christened on 2 July 179 in the Buffalo Presbyterian Church in Prince Edward County. On 20 July 1819, Samuel Grinter and James Grinter, probably his brother, had an indenture in for $500 paid on 106 acres of land in that county. (Joyce Martin Murray, abstractor, Logan County, Kentucky Deed Abstracts 1813-1819: Abstracts of Deed Books Volumes D. E. F. G, p. 133) Samuel was an Administrator inventory of a will there on 10 June 1831. ( Logan County Genealogical Society, Abstracts of Wills & Settlements Logan County, Kentucky. 1795-1838. Russellville, Logan County, Kentucky, n.d., p. 119) Samuel was also the Administrator of the settlement of his father's will on 1 August 1832. (Ibid., p. 122) He is listed in the 1860 census as a farmer. Samuel died on 10 February 1876, and was buried on10 February 1878 in the Grinter Cemetery, Russellville: GRINTER, Samuel, b. May 12,1797, d. Feb 10, 1876 ( Logan County Genealogical Society, Logan County, Kentucky. Cemeteries, Grinter Cemetery", p. 88). His will was probated in Logan County. He married on 1 June [Barney Thompson, The Thompson Book] or 4 June 1818 in Butler County, Kentucky, Nancy Carter Hill.

NANCY CARTER HILL, spouse of Samuel Grinter, was born on 2 July 1799 in Logan County. Her father was Major John Hill, Jr. and her mother was Elizabeth Thompson. Nancy Hill died on 29 August 1872, and buried in the Grinter Cemetery, Logan County. GRINTER, Nancy, b. July 2, 1799, d. Aug. 29, 1862, wife of Samuel Grinter. wife of Samuel Grinter) (Logan County Genealogical Society, Logan County, Kentucky. Cemeteries "Smith Cemetery", p. 88:

 Their twelve children  of Samuel Grinter and Nancy Carter Hill were:
   (1) Sarah Jane Grinter was born on 6 August 1821 in Logan County, Kentucky. She died on 1 June 1865 in Logan County and was buried in the  Grinter  Cemetery in Logan County.  (Logan County  Genealogical   Society, Logan  County, Kentucky  Cemeteries, p. 88:  Sarah Jane  Grinter, b.  Aug. 6, 1821, d. June 1, 1865. dau of Samuel and Nancy W, Grinter). She married 24 February 1851 in Logan County, William W. Gordon.
   (2) Thomas Hill Grinter, was born on 12 September 1823, Logan County, Kentucky, died on 28 October 1825, Trigg County, Kentucky, and married 4 June 1850, Trigg County, Mary Ann Redd.
   (3) Mary L. Grinter was born on 26 December 1825,in Logan County, Kentucky and was buried in the Grinter Cemetery, Logan  County. (Logan County Genealogical Society, Logan County, Kentucky Cemeteries, "Grinter Cemetery", p. 88: Mary L.  Wood, b. Dec. 20 ----, d. June ----[broken stone]). She married 1 January 1848 in Logan County, John Wood.
   (4) John Carter Grinter, was born on 28 January 1828, Logan Co., KY, buried in the Grinter Chapel  Cemetery,  Kansas City, Wyandotte County,Kansas, married 15 February 1856, on the Kansas Delaware Reserve,  Francis Grinter, daughter of Moses Read Grinter. They had a son, John W. Grinter, whose daughter died as a teenager. (The last sentence according to by Martin Weeks)
   (5) Samuel C. Grinter, born 1 November 1830, Logan County, Kentucky.
   (6) Reverend James W. Grinter, born on 17 July 1819  (Logan County Genealogical Society, Logan County, Kentucky  Cemeteries, p. 88), in Logan County, Kentucky was christened on 17 July 182 in  Logan County, died on 24 May 1888 at age 68, in Logan County, and was buried in the Grinter Cemetery, Logan County: GRINTER, Rev. James W., b. July 17, 1819, d. May 24, 1888. (Logan County Genealogical Society, Ibid., p. 88. He married Nancy William Melan [?spelling], who born on 23 May 1817, died on 20 November 1891, and was buried in the Grinter Cemetery: GRINTER, NANCY W., wife of J. W. Grinter, b. May 23, 1817, d. Nov. 20, 1891. GRINTER, NANCY W., wife of J. W. Grinter, b. May 23, 1817, d. Nov. 20, 1891. (Ibid.) Their son, Benjamin Samuel Grinter, was also buried in the Grinter Cemetery: Benjamin Samuelson of James W. and Nancy W. Grinter, b. April 21, 1851, died Feb. 19 1859 (Ibid), as well as a daughter Mary G. Grinter" GRINTER, Mary G., dau. of James and Nancy W. Grinter, b. Oct 9, 1877, d. July 16, 1889.
   (7) Elizabeth "Bettie" C. Grinter, was born on 23 March 1833, in Logan County, Kentucky, died 24 November 1923, and was  buried in the  East End Cemetery  5 miles west of Russelville, near Elkton, at Cadiz, Trigg County, Kentucky. Location to be refined. She did not marry. The following is from her obituary on 24 November 1923 in the Cadiz Record:

Miss Grinter was a native of Logan County, Ky., and was a daughter of Samuel Grinter, in his day a prominent citizen of that county. She was the sixth child of a family of nine, and was born at what is still known as the old Grinter homestead five miles west of Russellville, on the road leading toward Elkton, on the 25th of March, 1832. The big brick Grinter mansion is still one of the landmarks of the county. [This is the house after which Moses Grinter patterned his house in Wyandotte County, Kansas.] The mother died about 1871, and for five years she and the father composed the household as far as the immediate family was concerned. Miss Grinter was a woman of strong character, and aided materially in the affairs of the home and the transactions of the large plantation. After the death of the father in 1876, she came to Cadiz and ever since had been home with her sister, Mrs. Addie Gunn, in this city, and went to the home of Mrs. Gunn several years ago when Mrs. Gunn was rendered almost helpless by a fall. She has always lived a quiet, simple life, taking a great interest in home affairs and delighted always in her flower beds and things that made home bright and cheerful. [About] fifteen or twenty years ago she regularly every year made a visit back to Logan County to visit friends of her earlier life and to Kansas to visit a couple of brothers, who had been residents of that state. Her last visit to Kansas was a number of years ago, and she and Mrs. Gunn made the trip Those who were intimately associated with her remember the many noble traits and her devotion to her household and those she loved.

   (8) Robert V. Grinter, born 6 January 1835, Logan County, Kentucky, was christened in 1836, and died on 25 May 1875, of Trigg   County, Kentucky.  (Logan County Genealogical Society, Logan County, Kentucky. Cemeteries, "Smith Cemetery", p. 88: Robert V. Grinter, b. Jan. 6, 1797, d. May 25, 1876. His tombstone says he was in the 8th KY Cavalry, U.S. Army.
   (9) James Grinter, was born in 1836, in Logan County, Kentucky.
   (10) Martha "Addie" Grinter, was born on 11 April 1837, in Logan County, Kentucky, died 17 June 1929, Cadiz, Trigg County, Kentucky, and married on 19 May 1856 in Logan County, Wesley Gunn.
   (11) Adeline Grinter, was born in1838, in Logan County, Kentucky.
   (12) Daniel W. Grinter, was born on 6 April 1840, died 6 January 1903, Kansas City, Wyandotte County, Kansas, was in  Company A, 9th Regiment, Confederate Army, was possibly buried in Russelville, Logan County, Kentucky. [To  be checked-Editor], and married 6 January 1867 in Logan County, Ora Etta H. Davis.

8. JAMES P. GRINTER was from Logan County, Kentucky, was  born on 10 September 1799. He married first on 3 August 1818 in Logan County, Elizabeth Crewdson (Records in the Court House in Logan County) Louis B. Linton in "Grinter Papers," Logan County Historical Society, p. 6. James Grinter and Samuel Grinter, probably his brother, on 20 July 1819 paid an Indenture of $500 on 106 acres of land in Logan County. (Joyce Martin Murray, abstractor, Logan County, Kentucky Deed Abstracts 1813-1819: Abstracts of Deed Books Volumes D. E. F. G, p. 133). He  was buried in the Grinter Cemetery four miles west of Russellville on the north side of US 68.  (Logan County Genealogical Society, Logan County, Kentucky. Cemeteries, "Grinter Cemetery," p. 88: James R. Grinter, b. Sept. 10, 1799, d. Dec. 20, 1869)

ELIZABETH CREWDSON, spouse of James P. Grinter, was a sister of Lucy (Crewdson) Linton. She died on 20 December 1869.

                                                 
The tombstone reads, "ELIZABETH CREWDSON, wife of James P. Grinter born --97 [portion below the ground an not visible in the photograph] 1819. It appears that she was buried here in 1819 and that James P. Grinter moved elsewhere and was later buried in 1869 in the Grinter Cemetery  where his second wife, Sarah, was buried.
(The photo was taken in April 1003 by Tom Hahn)

James P. Grinter married second on 1 November 1820 in Logan County, SARAH M. J. HILL. Sarah was from Prince Edward County, Virginia. Sarah  was born on 30  September 1800, died on 19 June 1881 in Logan County, Kentucky, and was buried in the Grinter Cemetery in  Logan County. GRINTER, Sarah, wife of J. P. Grinter, b. Sept. 30, 1800, d. June 19, 1881  (Logan County Genealogical Society, Logan County, Kentucky. Cemeteries, "Grinter Cemetery," p. 88:

James P. Hill and Sarah Hill's children were:
   (1) Sallie Grinter, was born about 1821, in Logan County, Kentucky, married first ______ Gordon and second James Smith. Marriages to be checked.]
   (2) Elizabeth "Lizzie" S. Grinter, was born in 1823, in Logan County, Kentucky, died 18 April 1886, was buried in the Grinter Cemetery, Logan County, and married 3 April 1886 in Logan County, her cousin, Samuel A. Grinter,
   (3) Nancy "Nannie" W. Grinter, was born on 14 January 1826, Logan County, Kentucky, unmarried, died 18 April 1886,  Logan County, and was buried in the Grinter Cemetery, Logan Co.  (Logan County Genealogical Society, Logan County, Kentucky. Cemeteries, "Grinter Cemetery," p. 88: Nancy W. Grinter, b. Jan. 14, 1826, d. April 18, 1886) She was in the 1880 Logan County census in House No. 327/329.
   (4) Thomas A. Grinter was born 7 August 1828, in Logan County, Kentucky, died 17 May 1878, Logan County, buried in the Grinter Cemetery, Logan County.  (Logan County Genealogical Society, Logan County, Kentucky Cemeteries, "Smith Cemetery", p. 88: Thomas A. Grinter, b. Aug. 7, 1828, d. May 17, 1878)
   (6) John J. Grinter was born in 1837, Logan County, Kentucky, was in the 1880 census for Logan County, House No. 327/329.
   (7) Susan Grinter, was born 1in 1838, Logan County, Kentucky and married ______Chastain.
   (8) Catherine O. Grinter, born 1840, Logan County, Kentucky, unmarried, in 1880 census in Logan County,. in House No. 327/329.

Louis B. Linton in "Grinter  Papers," Logan County Historical Society, p. 6, has this listing of the children of James P. Grinter and Sarah M. Hill. Because it differs somewhat from the above listing, it is included here until family researchers sort it our:
   (1) Katherine "Kate" C. Grinter married first, P. L. Morehead, on 1 June 1887. She married second,   ______ Shelton.
   (2) Sarah "Sallie" Grinter married William Wayne Gordon. They appear to have had five children.
   (3) John Grinter. No known descendants.
   (4) Mary Sue Grinter, married first, John Chastain, married second, Henry Davis
   (5) David P. Grinter. His children Myron H. Grinter and Cora Grinter Stevenson.
   (6) Nancy Grinter (His note: "Could this be the Nancy E. Grinter who married Thomas Crewdson on 30 November 1841?"
   (7) Elizabeth "Lizzie" C. Grinter married Samuel A. Grinter, son of John Hill Grinter and Nancy Crewdson. Their children: 1. Mollie Grinter, single 2. Emma Grinter  3. Cornelia (Nelia) Grinter, married Thomas W. Grinter, son of J. W. Grinter. 4. Nannie Grinter, married Theodore (Theo) Grinter, son of J. W. Grinter. Their children were: Phil Grinter, Ernest Grinter, and Annie Grinter.
 
9. SARAH "SALLIE" GRINTER was born in 1803 in Prince Edward County, Virginia, died in January 1856 in Logan County Kentucky, married on 16 February 1818 JAMES A. SMITH. [Where were they married?] He was born 1770/1774 in Virginia, from Logan County, Kentucky, and died in February or March 1838, in Northern Logan County. She lived just off the road from Russellville to Morgantown.
They had eight  children:
   (1) William Western Smith was born on 14 June 1821, Logan County, Kentucky,  died 24 September 1881, Logan County, married 20 April 1850 Catherine M. Grinter.
   (2) Elizabeth Jane Smith was born ca.1822, in Logan County, Kentucky, married 6 February 1855, Logan County, Hardin J. Turner.
   (3) George A. Smith was born ca.1823/1826,in Logan County, Kentucky and was married ca.1842, Logan Co., Elvira______.
   (4) John H. Smith was born ca.1825/1830,  in Logan County, Kentucky.
   (5) Margaret A. Smith was born in August 1830, in Logan County, Kentucky, died on 21 February 1881, Logan County, and married on 21 July 1852,  Logan Co., James H. Young.
   (6) Ambrose C. W. Smith, was born in August 1831, in Logan County, Kentucky, and married in1852, Logan County, Catherine M. Turner.
    (7) Robert W. Smith, was born on 26 December 1832, in Logan County, Kentucky, died on 19 February 1903, in Logan County, and married 15 December 1856, Logan Co., Eliza. J. Frances Young.
   (8) Mary or "Polly" A. Smith was born on 23 October 1835, Logan County, Kentucky, died 23 June 1917, Simpson, Kentucky,  buried about 25 June 1917 in Pilot Knob Cemetery, Simpson, and married 29 September 1856, in the home of James H. Young, Logan County, Martin Henry Smith.

(Researcher and Descendant of the immigrant John Grinter, Francis Grinter, and Moses Read Grinter , Thomas Swiftwater Hahn, swiftwater@lenapedelawarehistory.net. We thank another Grinter Descendant (whose ancestor was Sally Grinter, daughter of the immigrant John Grinter) -- James H.  Lawler  jhlawr@flash.net for his assistance in providing and correcting data.

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